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2005-12-11 [duckofdoom]: I was thinking it would be appropriate to include a few paragraphs on the burning trials of Salem. Also the Malleus Malificarum, also maybe have a seperate wiki devoted to the different traditions of wicca, such as eclectic wicca, dianic wicca, alexandrian wicca...etc. I could provide some pieces for the histroy wiki as well.
2005-12-13 [rachelah]: That would be great, please send anything you desire to me. Thank you!
2007-06-26 [Mordigen]: i have a note :: the idea of the one divine creator worhsiped through nature, and the idea of summerland are very neo-pagan and wiccan thoughts, not necessarily celtic beliefs or traditions, as a lot of specific beliefs and ideas would change from tribe to tribe, clan to clan, family to family etc etc
2009-03-25 [AngusMacLeod]: There is nothing on Gardner here. The FOUNDER of Wica
2009-03-25 [Mordigen]: Gardener was the founder of one particular type of wicca -- not the entire belief system.
2009-03-27 [AngusMacLeod]: Actually, yes he was. Please give proof of ANY type of Wica before Gardner. Wica is a specific religion with specific gods and specific beliefs, like any religion. It is not a free-for-all religion.
2009-03-28 [Mordigen]: I'm not going to get into this fight, yet again, with some teen that think's they know everything just because they've read *some* information. Especially when they can't even spell the damn religion right, ok, so Fine whatever, you want to wallow in your own ignorence just to get the last word in and look like the bigshot - fine, be my guest.......
2009-03-28 [AngusMacLeod]: My spelling of Wica is the correct form, the form it was in originally. Wicca with two c's was invented by Buckland, but thank you for trying. I'm sure I know much more about the practices of the Wica than you do having read some actual, factual books on the subject. I suggest you read The Triumph of the Moon and Witchcraft Today and stop reading Margaret Murray. You have most likely learned all you need to know out of one or two books most likely by either Cunningham, Buckland or (worst of all) Ravenwolf. Wica is an orthopraxic, NON-self initiatory, fertility witchcult whose deity names are oath-bound.
Your opinion and the opinions of Llewellyn do not trump Gardner's.
2009-03-29 [Delladreing]: Angus...you're going to make me sound like a hypocritical cunt here, but you don't need to hit people over the head with how big your ego/knowledge is.
Oh and Gardner made a lot of crud up, just adding that in, so his opinion is worth jackshit really. He may have founded it but he was also a liar who indulged in writing fantasy before turning his attention to religion.
2009-03-30 [Mordigen]: Might I add "founder" is completely different from "inventor" -- he did not devise the religion, he simply officially founded it to be respected as a "legitimate" religion.
2009-03-30 [Delladreing]: Trying to say who "invented" any form of paganism is madness. It's all a big mix and match of borrowed beliefs, some of which that are actually very old and some that were really only "invented" in the past 50+ years.
2009-03-30 [Mordigen]: And now to Angus......ok, first of all. "Wicca" is an actual word, "Wica" is a made up word. Did you read the information about he term "wicca" and it's derrivative above? That shit is actual fact, and it is ACCURATE fact first of all. Secondly - there are a shitload different sects of Wicca. You're way which *you* follow may all be perfectly true to the crap you are saying, but that is not EVERY SINGLE LAST sect of Wicca, and is not true for everyone, and *YOUR* way is not **THE** way....mkkay? So don't state your own personal beliefs, and choice of path to follow as point-blank fact -- it is not.
No, and really - I could give a shit less about Cunningham, Buckland, llewellyn or Gardner......I give a shit about the traditional teachings of what Wicca is based around -- which has been around for ages longer than Any fucking Author, or Publishing company, and YES, been around longer than even fucking oh-holy Gardner, mkay?
mkay.
Now please, shut up, you making yourself out to look like a douchebag hypocrite. I don't pretend like I know everything, I don't even try to, but I *do* know when someone else doesn't know everything either -- so how about you learn some humility, and shut up, and try to learn from other's instead of acting like an ignorant Wicca form of a Jehova's Witness.
and another note -- not ALL sects of wicca are concerned with orthoproxy, and not ALL sects of Wicca are non-self initiatory, and I must say that I highly resent - and I'm sure others do aswell - your use of the term "cult", in any form, while speaking of any type of religion or belief. I don't give a shit if it is used in literature or what not - that is an entirely inaccurate, and degrading way of referring to ANY religion. The only "Witchcult" I know of, without being spoken in an offensive maner, is a fucking album by a heavy metal band.
*YOUR* sect of wicca, *YOUR* path that *YOU* choose to follow are all those things........
2009-03-31 [AngusMacLeod]: Proof that Wicca existed before Gardner please? The word did, but not the SPECIFIC religion with SPECIFIC deities that Gardner founded. I never said I was of the Wica, I have never stated that, I merely read the books that aren't written by authors that have no idea what they are talking about. There is only one Wicca, and it is only 50 years old. You can not prove that it is not older than that, unless you use Margaret Murray and she has been debunked.
Yes, all forms of the true Wicca, the ONLY Wicca are concerned with right practice. Cult-1. formal religious veneration 2. a religious system 3. faddish devotion and a group of persons showing such a devotion. Devotion to what in Wicca? Fertility.
Do you have to be called Wicca? Why can you not be neo-pagan witches, which is what you are. Is it "cool" to be of the Wica (Wicca).
As such, Wica is still a derivative of Wicca because those that practiced Wicca were called the Wica. Read the Meaning of Witchcraft, Witchcraft Today, Triumph of the Moon, some actual FACT on Wicca.
And if you are talking about the "traditional teachings" then you had also read the Equinox by Aliester Crowley and the Book of the Law and pretty much anything on Ceremonial Magic you can find. Along with that I would read anything that is of the Thelema and any writings on the GD and OTO.
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